dear dato H,
you are an 'evolutionist'
you think the universe starts with the big bang.
i have no argument with that as well, on the basis of science that we so far know.
we only differ on the substance of the big bang.
you insist that the big bang is the big bang...there is nothing before the big bang.!
in your physics, time does not exist before the big bang.
i insist that the big bang has an owner!
time is relative....and even time has an 'owner'.
ya qadim, ya daim, ya hayyu, ya qayyum
he is the owner.
that dato, is our basic, fundamental difference.
and omg! what difference it is.
one is destined for no posterity.
the latter, a posterity that transcends eternity.
i do not apologise for that 'smugness'.
it is in the book!
i don't need stuart mill's ' essay on liberty ' to come to that conclusion.
[ commentary ayat 67 ]
He it is Who created you from dust, then from a drop (of seed) then from a clot, then bringeth you forth as a child, then (ordaineth) that ye attain full strength and afterward that ye become old men - though some among you die before - and that ye reach an appointed term, that haply ye may understand. (67)
[ commentary ayat 68 ]
He it is Who quickeneth and giveth death. When He ordaineth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is. (68)
[ commentary ayat 69, 70, 71 ]
Hast thou not seen those who wrangle concerning the revelations of Allah, how they are turned away? - (69) Those who deny the Scripture and that wherewith We send Our messengers. But they will come to know, (70) When carcans are about their necks and chains. They are dragged (71)
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From: h
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:41 PM
To: Nik Isahak Abdullah
Subject: Re: Fw: surah ghafir......ayat 67, 68, 69 and 70.
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2017 5:41 PM
To: Nik Isahak Abdullah
Subject: Re: Fw: surah ghafir......ayat 67, 68, 69 and 70.
Dear Dr. Nik,
I have read the commentry in your blog. On the basis of your summary, l really doubt that we can agree even on that. My comment below would complete the narration in your blog.
I can only believe the Big Bang to the extent of the evidence available for it. There is convincing evidence of the Big Bang, from the residual cosmic microwave background, plus Edwin Hubble's telescope detection of the red-shift (a Doppler effect on light, as the galaxies speed away in all directions after the Big Bang). And, of course, Einstein's theory of relativity which has been fully supported by the data.
You will agree that the evidence for the Big Bang (Fred Hoyle had come up with the jocular term in its early days when the idea was not taken seriously) is now strong and the science is credible. It would perverse not to accept it today.
But you go a step further, doc, into the realm of metaphysics - on the "ownership" of the universe, and a benign guiding hand. Where is the hard evidence for it?
You can say that you personally believe in it: That is fine: it is your right of belief in a free society. But you have to add the caveat that it is a belief, not a claim that it is a fact based on openly accesdible evidence. You cannot muddle up fact with belief. They are not the same thing.
(At one time people believed that the earth was flat. Such a belief did not make the earth round. The fact that the earth is round changed belief, and we all abandoned the false 'earth-is-flat' belief, and turned to fact as the basis of reality.)
Salam.
H.
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i think we have to agree to disagree here.
but on a different plane but still closely connected to our fundamental dis agreement, though i have to make a confession here.
i used to spend sleepless nights before thinking about my role or rather lack of role in trying to 'salvage' all my close friends, and mostly patients [ and most of my patients are 'technically on death row' ],and acquintances who are overtly secular and agnostics. the current rules of social engagement and political correctness does not allow me to even mention 'ugama'
the last few verses, the tafseer of it especially, if you care to listen carefully, obviate that unnecessary anxiety and guilt feeling of mine.
allah , in no uncertain terms, says, ' enough warning and admonition have been given to the unbelief, in the course of their lives. be they at the ripe old age of 80 or 20, if the unbelief remained adamant , it is their funeral...'
or something to that effect.
allahualam.
dr nik
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